Vintage Guitars Info - dating vintage guitars, amps by date source code Dating Vintage Guitars and Amps by Source-Date Code. Return to the. Return to the. Sometimes there just isn't enough information on electric instruments and amps to allow them to be properely dated. And many people ask me to try and determine the year of their old amplifier, or to help them with the year of their older off-brand electric guitar.
You are looking at a three BRAND NEW IN BOX Electro-Voice 30' woofers. These are some of Electro-voices most sought after speakers This speaker lived in a climate controlled storage facility almost its entire life. (I’ve also included a few others brands you might encounter as aftermarket installations.) This should help you identify your speaker. Jensen 220; Utah 328; Oxford 465; JBL 73; CTS 137; Altec Lansing 391; Electro-Voice 649; Pyle 1098; Weber VST 1279. You also mentioned that you’re looking for a speaker option that decreases the overall volume of your amp.
Since I primarily collect amps by Fender, and guitars by Gibson, Fender, Martin, National, Epiphone, Gretsch and Rickenbacker, I really can't help them with these other less popular brands. As you have probably noticed, there is plenty of information here to help date the brands that I am interested in.
But where does that leave everyone else? Well I'm not one to leave you out in the (informational) cold, so here's something that I use quite often in dating amplifiers and electric guitars. It's called the 'source-date code', and it can help determine the approximate age of an electric instrument by the date its components were manufactured. Source-Date Codes On American made vintage gear, the pots and speakers provide an excellent opportunity to date a piece of equipment by referencing their 'source-date code'.
The source-date code found on pots and speakers gives the manufacturer and date (roughly) when the components were made. It may have been some time before the part was installed at the factory, but it still provides a good approximation of when the gear was made. This is especially helpful on (less popular) gear that doesn`t have reliable serial#`s or other information to date them.
The source-date code will signify the earliest possible date that the instrument or amp could have been made. This isn't going to be exact, but it will give you a 'ball-park' age. And remember, even the dates indicated by the pots aren't that exact. For example, if you buy a brand new CTS pot today, they are dated a month or two in advance! It's worth mentioning since a lot of people rely on pot dates. That said, it's not uncommon for pot manufacturers to post date pots anywhere from a few weeks to as much as 18 months. (The standard today is no more than 18 months, but back in the 1950s and 1960s, who knows?) Some large parts distributors would even return parts if the date code was 'expired' and want 'fresh' parts in return.
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This seems silly, as we're talking about electronic parts not eggs. But if you think about it, parts like electrolytic cacpacitors, this could be an issue. Then the parts maker (like CTS) would have to eat the returned inventory, or sell it off to someone that didn't care about date codes, and probably at a discounted amount. What I'm saying is that pot and capacitory date codes are not a reliable indicator of guitar build dates. Though they are one piece of the puzzle and something to consider, don't put too much faith into a pot date.
The source-date codes are under the framework of the 'Electronic Industries Association', which is a non-profit organization representing the manufacturers of electronic parts. The EIA source-date code is a numeric code, assigned and registered by the EIA. It can be stamped or marked on any product to identify the production source (vendor) and date of manufacturer. Source-date codes have been published by the EIA since 1924. The EIA can be contacted via mail: Electronics Industries Association, 2001 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, D.C. Consideration and exceptions:. Source-date codes weren't an industry standard until after WWII.
But I have seen them used on Stackpole pots on electric National guitars as early as 1935. The first time date-source codes were published was 1924, so I guess you could see them as early as the late 1920's. Most Fenders from 1966 to 1969 have 1966 dated CTS pots. Apparently CBS/Fender bought a large stock of pots in 1966 that lasted till 1969. On popular Fender models, the pot date can be very close to the actual date of the instrument. On less popular Fender instruments, such as LapSteels, pots can be as much as two years earlier than the actual date of the instrument. Gibson didn't start using pots with source-date codes till 1953 or 1954.
Of course this all assumes the pot or speaker is original. You have to make that call. I would suggest checking the solder joints - are they clean? Are the wires of the right era (cloth insulation for older stuff)? If so, you can check the pot or speaker for the source-date code, and determine an approximate age from that. How the Source-Date Code Works.
The source-date code on a pot is a 6 or 7 digit code impressed into the casing of the potentiometer. For speakers this code can be 5, 6, 7 or 8 digits long, and it's ink-stamped or paint-stamped on the 'bell housing' of the speaker. In either case, the code works the same.
The first 3 digits on a pot, or the first 2, 3 or 4 digits on a speaker are the source or manufacturer code. The remaining 3 or 4 digits are the date code. In 3 digit dates code, the 1st digit is the last digit of the year. On 4 digits date codes, the 1st and 2nd digits are the last two digits of the year. In either case, the remaining 2 digits are the week of manufacture (01 to 52). With this in mind, remember if the last two digits of the source-date code are greater than 52, you're not looking at the source-date code!
Also it's worth mentioning:. Sometimes there is a space or hyphen between the manuafacturer code and the year/week code. 3 digit date codes were used in the 1940's and 1950's. Stackpole for example converted from three to four digit date codes in late 1959.
4 digit date codes were used in the 1960's and later (this makes determining the year much simplier!). On 3 digit date codes, you have to 'guess' the decade of the pot or speaker. Usually this isn't too difficult. Pots used by Fender.
The middle one is a CTS pot (Chicago Telephone Supply, manufacturer #137) from the 30th week of 1966. The pots on the left and right are Stackpole pots (manufacture #304). Note the different position of the markings, even on pots from the same maker. Left: The source-date code (285709) on a speaker. In this case, the speaker is made by Rola (285) in the 9th week of 1957 (709).
The decade, though not directly shown by the source-date code, was easily determined because this particular amp was only made during the 1950s. Note the font style of the source-date code number always seems to be the same, for all speaker manufacturers. Right: Same thing here. Jensen (220) speaker made in the 41st week of 1959 (941).
Pot Source Codes. Here are the most common pot manufacturers (the first 3 digits of the source-date code):. 106 = Allen-Bradley.
134 = CentraLab. 137 = CTS (Chicago Telephone Supply, pots and speakers). 140 = Clarostat. 304 = Stackpole. 381 = Bourns Networks.
615 = IRC (International Resistive Company) - see Fender Products. During the 1950's, Fender used mostly Stackpole (#304) pots. Then in roughly early 1963, they changed to CTS (#137) pots. In 1967 (after CBS bought Fender), Fender bought a HUGE supply of pots from CTS. This supply lasted for over five years.
So guitars and amps made as late as 1973 can still have 1967 date codes from this huge 1967 stocking. All during Fender's life as an amplifier maker, then used speakers made by Jensen (#220), CTS (#137), Oxford (#465), Utah (#328) and Altec-Lansing (#391). Till about 1961, Jensen was the only Fender speaker supplier. Then from 1962 and later you see Fender using speakers from all the above mentioned makers. National, Valco, Supro Amplifier Products.
Note the use of '550' as a source code on these products. Actually, it's not a source code but is a manufacturers code for all National, Valco, Supro products. Found as second stamping on speakers as a date code 550XXX from 1947 through the 50's and 60's (all the 1940's amps are generally field coil Rola spkrs). Manufacturer Source Codes.
Below are many manufacturer source codes (which are the first 2,3, or 4 digits of the source-date code). Common Guitar Speaker Manufacturers:. 67 = Eminence. 137 = CTS (Chicago Telephone Supply). 220 = Jenson. 285 = Rola. 308 = Stromberg-Carlson.
328 = Utah. 336 = Western Electric. 391 = Altec-Lansing. 416 = Heath. 465 = Oxford.
589 = Bogen. 649 = Electro-Voice Some tidbits on Jensen: Fender used Jensen speakers until 1972 when all Jensen production (and one engineer) was switched to The Rola Company in Cleveland OH (Rola was a division of Jensen). Prior to the re-structuring of Jensen in '71-'72, Jensen quality had suffered terribly. When Rola started to make speaker for Jensen in 1972, Rola initially used the Jensen 220 manufacturer code, but by the end of 1972 changed to the 285 Rola code.
Regaining OEM customer confidence after the Jensen years was a long process due to the Rola-Jensen ties. Other Speaker Manufacturers (thanks to P.Bechtoldt and H.Murphy):. 24 = Becker. 101 = Admiral. 106 = Allen-Bradley.
119 = Automatic mfg.